Exclusive Survivor: Cook Islands Winner Interview:
Yul
by Staci Krause
IGN.com
- 12.26.06
Yul
played the mastermind role perfectly, even trading an
elimination for a vote. In a very close game, he managed to win
out over the challenge dominator and nature lover Ozzy in a 5-4
win. There were key elements that played into Yul's victory,
from his strong friendship with Becky, to Aitu's domination at
challenges after the mutiny. By far the most important thing
that gave Yul his win was finding the individual immunity idol
on Exile Island and using it to sway Jonathan to mutiny again.
We got a chance to talk to the winner of Survivor: Cook
Islands about what it was like to be a part of one of the
best Survivors in a while. He talked about the challenges
he faced, the bonds he made and what he is up to next.
IGN TV: How did you come to be on the show?
Yul: I was, as I think most contestants this season,
recruited. I was basically just coming off a project at work and
I had taken some time off for vacation. I guess they had gotten
to the final round and still didn't quite have the right mix of
people that they were looking for. So one of the casting agents
contacted a friend who contacted a friend and she recommended
me. I got a call from the casting agent and we talked and I
talked to the casting director and they were like we're doing
the final rounds in LA, can you come down tomorrow? I was like
'sure' and it just kind of worked out from there.
IGN TV: When you got there, was it what you expected?
Yul: It was a lot harder than I expected. Before the game
starts, you are living together for about a week where you can't
talk to one another. That's just kind of a weird period where
you are trying to get a read on the other people but you can't
really interact with them. And when we actually started the
game, it was just really an awful, awful day. They had us on
these speedboats that were blacked out so you are feeling kind
of claustrophic, you are seasick, everyone's puking their guts
out. You get on the sailboat where the game actually started,
everyone's puking their guts out. Jeff Probst pops out of
nowhere and says 'alright, you got two minutes to grab as many
supplies as you can and get off the boat.' You're just
completely bewildered. I had no idea what is going on. There's a
chicken in the water, Cao Boi told me go get the chicken. I dive
into the water. And I'm like 'what the hell am I doing?' It was
a rough start.
IGN TV: Had you seen the show before?
Yul: I saw the first season. I watched part of the second
season. Then I just kind of got busy working so I really hadn't
followed any other seasons. Once I found out there was a chance
I was going to be on, I just started watching as many episodes
as I could just to understand what the strategies were like and
what some of the common pitfalls were.
IGN TV: I know you had concerns about the division along
racial lines, but did you expect the public outcry?
Yul: I did. I did. I, honestly, had the same concerns as
a lot of the people in the public did. I wanted to be on the
show because I thought there were an under representation of
minorities on mainstream media and to the extent that they were
on TV, they were typically portrayed as caricatures or
stereotypes. I wanted to kind of get beyond stereotyping, that
when I actually heard that we were going to be divided along
racial lines the night before the game started, I just thought
it could be a potentially very, very dangerous idea.
IGN TV: How do you think it
came out?
Yul: In retrospect, I'm really happy with the way things
turned out. My fear upfront was that either there would just be
a lot of ethnic strife or that one ethnic tribe would end up
dominating and wiping out all the other tribes. And at one point
in the game, it certainly looked like that was going to happen.
It looked like the Raros, the Caucasian tribe, had gotten back
together. Two of the Caucasians on our alliance had defected to
join their original tribe members and it looked like they were
systematically eliminating all the minorities from the game. I
don't believe for a second that anyone on the show had any kind
of racist inclinations or attitudes. But for people watching
back home, I was afraid that if the Caucasians ended up going to
the final four after voting off all the minorities in the game,
it would just send a very dangerous message and that a lot of
people might come away with regrettable conclusions about race
in this country. I'm really glad that ultimately our alliance,
which was made up of a coalition of different people from
different ethnicities, really were able to overcome our
individual differences and stick tight together and get all the
way to the end together. For me, that was kind of a very happy
ending. I'm glad that the group of people who made it to the end
represented a broad spectrum of different communities. I think
that was a great ending to a great story. I'm hoping that if
anyone takes anything away from watching the show, it really
does kind of demonstrate that it's not so much your skin color
that determines who you are and who your friends are, but it's
really the values and the goals sort of underlying the
individual personalities.
IGN TV: You had also voiced your concerns about being
stereotyped. How do you think you came out the end of it?
Yul: From feedback I've heard from different people, I'm
very happy. I wanted to set kind of a positive example for
people in my community and people that look like me. For the
most part, that looks like the case. For me, as an
Asian-American male, the prevailing stereotypes in TV that I saw
growing up were sort of the computer geek who couldn't get a
date or the kung-fu master who couldn't speak English or the
flamboyantly gay Asian-American male, like the guy on Entourage.
I just wanted to kind of show everyone that we aren't all like
that. There are certain qualities that go into being
Asian-American that fit along that are positive: hard working,
relatively humble and intelligent. Those are I think positive
qualities that I hoped to convey on the show but at the same
time I was hoping to crossover boundaries and try to portray
someone who was also athletic and sociable and not completely
lacking in social skills.
There were two sets of audiences I was hoping to reach. In
communities like in New York City, where there is a very diverse
culture, I didn't really have any concerns because there are a
lot of people out there who are just exposed to different ethnic
groups and have a broader base of understanding. I'm more
worried about people within their community who looked on TV and
didn't see anyone they could look up to or emulate and also
people living in middle America that might not have a lot of
exposure to minorities or other ethnic groups. And for those
people, their understanding and conception about minorities are
largely formulated based on what they see around them and if
they only see the caricatures on TV, then I think they might
extrapolate based on that in regards to questions about
minorities as a whole. And it was kind of for those people that
I had more concerns. If they only saw on TV a minority who is
acting a certain quality that wasn't typically seen as being
positive, I didn't want them to jump to conclusions about
everyone within that community.
IGN TV: It was also mentioned
in the finale that you were picked as one of People Magazine's
sexiest men alive. What do you think about that?
Yul: I think someone must have fallen asleep at the wheel
because I don't quite understand how I could have snuck into
something like that. On an abstract level, I'm glad that there
have been more minorities, including Asian-American men, getting
into that issue. I think it's kind of funny that I would make it
in there because I know myself and I don't consider myself to be
sexy. I do hear that I'm quite popular among the geriatric
generation. Certainly, a lot of grandmothers have been telling
me that 'if I were 30 years younger and still had a full set of
teeth, I'd be all over you.' So it's nice to know that there's
at least one segment of the population that thinks I'm sexy. I
think most of the younger ladies seem to be going for Ozzy.
(laughs) I think I'm a very progressive person in terms of my
politics, but I think I'm a little more old school in terms of
the way I interact with people. I kind of believe in having
manners and treating people with courtesy. It seems like it sort
of hearkens back to a different generation. Someone like Ozzy, I
think, definitely is much more of a cultural icon and he is sort
of like the James Dean mold. He's a loner, a rugged
individualist who does his own thing and could care less what
people think about him.
IGN TV: Ozzy did say he played more of a social game than
they showed, though?
Yul: Yeah. I think, for both of our cases, I think
they've been playing us up and setting up the contrast between
me being kind of like the puppetmaster and the brain and Ozzy
being the physically dominant person and I think, for him,
they've been playing up his prowess at the challenges, his
physical strength and agility and playing down his social
strategy side and for me, it's kind of been the opposite. I
think they've been playing up me as being the manipulator and
using me as a foil to underscore how dominant Ozzy has been in
the challenges. I don't think I'm a schmuck on challenges. I
think if Ozzy hadn't been around, I probably wouldn't have been
dominant on the challenges. Not to the extent that he was by any
means, but physically stronger. For me, that was also part of
strategy too.
My goal with regard to challenges, it changed depending on the
circumstances. In the first third of the game, when we were
divided onto different teams, I wanted to do well, but I was
more than happy to let someone else get most of the glory. My
biggest fear coming into the game was that I would be picked off
fairly quickly as a threat once we merged and I wanted to try to
deflect attention away. So for me, what I was really trying to
do was trying to form part of the core alliance that was really
controlling our tribe but to do it in such a way that I wasn't
an overt threat to anyone.
So I think I did a pretty good job deflecting the attention away
from me onto Jonathan and playing him up as sort of the being
the strategic mastermind and sort of the evil genius. And I
think that worked out pretty well because he kind of took any
attention away from me because everyone was fearing that he was
manipulating everyone and I think I did pretty good job
deflecting attention from me onto Ozzy. I let him just go ahead
and take the lead on all the challenges and really become kind
of like the challenge strength and that served my interest
because it took attention away from me as being a potential
threat on challenges as well.
Once the mutiny happened, at that
point, we had to win it. I think everyone was just going
completely balls out and I was certainly giving my absolute best
effort to win those challenges.
Once we got into the merge, though, and once we gained control,
my perch changed again. For me, there was no upside to winning
the individual challenges because I had the hidden immunity idol
and no one ever considered trying to flush it out of my hands.
We had a tight alliance and I spent a lot of time really trying
to make sure everyone felt that they were included in the
decision making process, that they felt a sense of ownership.
They never felt that they were going to be threatened by me and
I think I did a pretty good job getting everyone to believe that
I really was working in the best interest of the alliance and
that I would use the idol to get all four of us to the final
four, which, in fact, was my intention.
So I don't think anyone really had the incentive to try to get
the idol out of my hands and since I knew I had the idol, I
never needed any individual immunity, and if I won it, then that
would put me in a very awkward position where I'd feel a lot of
pressure to give it up to somebody, someone in my alliance. But
then, the question would be, who would I give that to? If I give
it to Becky, that could potentially splinter our alliance
because it could cause Sundra and Ozzy to feel on the outside.
If I gave it to Sundra, same thing with the other two. So, for
me, having Ozzy around and winning all the challenges actually
worked very well in my favor because it painted a bigger target
on his back, took attention away from me, and within our
alliance, to the extent anyone ever talked about voting someone
off of our alliance, it was always Ozzy because they saw him as
being such a big physical threat. It was always kind of
directing attention away from me. So, for me, that was a good
thing. The only thing I wanted was to make sure that there was
no Raro member who made it to the final, because I felt that if
Adam, Parvati or Candice got to the end, there were so many Raro
members on the jury, they would all vote for them to win.
IGN TV: Even though they had a
hand in voting some of them off, like Brad and Jenny?
Yul: I think what would have happened, for example, if
Adam had gotten to the end, Parvati would have gotten his vote,
Candice would have gotten his vote, Nate would have gotten his
vote, I don't know about the other guys, but there would
basically be a very strong core block of people who would vote
for them and that, for me, was the biggest threat. I felt that
going against anyone in my alliance, Becky, Sundra, or Ozzy, I
stood a pretty good shot of winning against any one of them. I
knew Ozzy would be a very tough challenge and a very tough
competitor, but I felt I would have a very good shot against
him. I thought that my worst shot would be against any one of
the Raro members. So that was sort of the worst case scenario
that I absolutely wanted to avoid and Ozzy was the single best
hedge against that happening, the single best insurance I had,
to prevent any of the Raro members from winning a streak of ICs,
to getting to the end.
So, from my perspective, it was great to have Ozzy there because
he was, again, so dominant in the challenges that he would make
sure none of the Raros would win. Even if he got to the end with
me, I thought had a good shoot against him, which ended up being
the case. He took attention away from me. No one ever thought of
me as being a threat and so no one ever considered trying to
vote me out. And I think that would have been the case even if I
didn't have the idol. So for me, on the individual challenges,
at that point, my goal was really to come in second place behind
Ozzy. What I wanted to do is stay close enough such that if Ozzy
faltered for some reason, I could go ahead and win the IC and
prevent any of the Raros from winning the individual immunity,
but if Ozzy was winning, that's great because it, again, none of
the Raros would win the individual immunity and he would be the
one kind of making the bigger target on his back. It kind of
worked out really well from my perspective. I'm not in any way
trying to take anything away from Ozzy. Even if I went
completely flat-out balls-hard, I doubt I could have beaten him.
The guy is so amazingly dominant on these challenges. But again,
it worked out in my interest, too, because again, there's no
reason for me to win the ICs and if I did, I think it actually
would have weakened my position in the tribe.
IGN TV: How do you think the show represented you and your
personality?
Yul: I think for most of the season, it was fairly
accurate. It's hard for me to be objective, so I've asked a lot
of my friends whether they thought the way I came across on TV
was consistent with who I really am and for the most part, they
said yes. They think the way that I was portrayed is pretty
close to how my true character is. I think most people felt that
I was kind of being toned down so more of the goofier side of my
personality, the funnier side, hasn't really been shown.
IGN TV: Oh, the dancing was pretty funny.
Yul: (laughs) Yeah, that came out later, I think. That
was helpful in adding some color to my personality. I think
toward the end they started playing up the whole 'Godfather'/puppetmaster
image and I noticed a lot more manipulation I think in terms of
putting statements together or taking things out of context that
gave me a little bit more of a dictatorial or sinister color. I
think that was a little bit more manipulated. I don't think I
really changed my demeanor or the way I related with people over
the course of the game. But I think they were trying to set up a
showdown between the 'Godfather' and the dominator.
I think, too, the whole 'Godfather' thing, I don't think it was
accurate. I think if you asked anyone in my tribe, the way I
like to interact with people and the way I tried to lead my
tribe was really to solicit everyone's opinions and achieving
consensus and having a very collaborative approach to decision
making. To me, that's just more natural to my personality and
also, I thought it was effective in the game in terms of keeping
our tribe very, very tight. If I really acted like a dictator or
a 'Godfather', told people what to do, I think people would have
felt threatened. They'd feel like, you know what, he is too much
in control of the game, we're going to have to vote him out. As
long as people felt a sense of ownership and felt that their
voices were being heard and that their opinions were respected
and they had control over their own fate, there was no incentive
to get out of our alliance. Everyone felt like they were in
control; that no one was going to blindside them. Even after
that whole 'Godfather' thing came up, I think if you asked
anyone in my alliance what my leadership style was like, I don't
think anyone would say it changed at all from how it was before.
I think externally, what happened, was with the Raro members, to
them, it looked like I was running things, like I was pulling
all the strings. And so they started attaching the whole
'Godfather' label onto me. And I tried to deny it at first,
because it really wasn't the way I was leading my tribe. I
realized that the more I started denying it, the more they felt
that I was lying to them and that I was being deceitful. So I
finally said, you know what, if it's going to stick no matter
what, I might as well just embrace it and use it to my
advantage. And at that point, I started externally to them, not
to my alliance, well fine, I'm the Godfather, if you want me to
do these favors. And it worked out well. We made a decision to
vote out Jonathan. I think I could, if I really was dead set on
it, saved him if I wanted to. But at that point, it made a lot
of strategic sense to get rid of Jonathan anyways and I might as
well get credit for it and a vote from Adam on the jury. That
was the swing vote that actually got me the win.
IGN TV: Was is more Becky and
Sundra that wanted to get rid of Jonathan then?
Yul: Actually, it really was a consensus thing. If it was
strategic for that point, it made sense for me to get rid of
Jonathan then. I know people have been saying 'why did you get
rid of Jonathan? He would have made a perfect final two goat,
you would have won in a landslide against him.' And I think that
actually was not a viable outcome, because that would require a
lot of different things.
First, it would require me to screw over Sundra or Becky or Ozzy
at some point in order to keep Jonathan with me all the way. I
think strategically, that didn't make sense, because it would
have cracked our alliance, it would have cost me their votes on
the jury and for me, that was especially dangerous, because
people saw me as playing a relatively clean and ethical game and
if they saw me screwing over my alliance to get Jonathan to the
end with me, I think that would have cost me a lot of other
votes.
Another thing is that Jonathan is a very smart guy and a very
strong player and I don't think that's giving him enough credit.
He wouldn't have sit idly by and let me take him to the final
two just so that I could beat him. I think he would have been
very, very active in organizing a movement against me to get me
out of the game, to get the idol out of my hands, so that he
could go to the final two with Becky or Sundra who he felt he
would have a pretty strong case against. He could say to the
jury 'look, I played a strong game, I screwed over everyone
else, but I was a player and I worked hard to be here whereas
the other two were riding coattails.' I think that was the
argument he wanted to make and I knew that he was going to try
to blow me out of the game at some point in order to get to the
final two with Becky or Sundra.
So the reality is, to get to the final two with me I think would
have been probably impossible. And it wasn't the final two, it
turned out it would have been the final three. So, to me, it
really made sense to get rid of Jonathan then. I saw him as
being the bigger strategic threat, the only person who really
would have been able to think far enough ahead to get the idol
out of my hands and I wasn't prepared to screw over people in my
alliance. So, at that point, it made sense to get him off and,
at that time, Adam and Parvati had both come up to me and said
'if you don't vote him off, then we're going to hold you
responsible. If you guys get to the end, Ozzy is our number one
pick, followed by Sundra, then Becky and then you're dead last.'
I knew at that point that I had to do something to try and get
their votes, so I made the deal to get rid of Jonathan. Both of
them gave me their word that they would vote for me.
Parvati, I didn't put a whole lot of faith in her word. I knew
that she had a thing for Ozzy and I figured that that was kind
of a throwaway vote. Adam, I felt like was a pretty straight-up
kind of guy. He's a guy, once he gives his word, pretty much
keeps it. I thought, I think it's going to be a close vote, it
made sense for me to get rid of Jonathan anyways, it would make
the rest of my alliance happy and it would get me that extra
vote. I made that deal and I actually think, aside from getting
Jonathan to flip, it was probably the best strategic move I made
within the game because ultimately it got me the win.
IGN TV: Do you have any
regrets?
Yul: Not really. I really do think I played a game where
I didn't make any mistakes. There definitely were times I took
risks but I think the risks were justified and it ultimately
worked out. It was my intention to try to play the game with as
much integrity as I could. I never said that I wasn't going to
lie. I think it's sort of naïve to think you can play Survivor
without manipulating people. But I really do think that I did my
best to try to treat people with respect and courtesy. I never
lied unless I felt that it was absolutely necessary. I never did
anything in a mean spirited kind of way.
One thing that did kind of bother me was that a lot of things I
just did because I just felt that it was the right thing to do,
just to be nice, like Jonathan's hat. That was completely blown
out of proportion. He asked for his hat back and even if I knew
he would never vote for me on the jury, I still would have given
his hat back. If I had lost something that had sentimental value
to me, I'd want someone to bring it back for me. I tried to give
the hat to the crewmembers before tribal council and like 'can
you guys just give him the hat?' And they were like very sneaky
about it, and they were like 'let's get back to you' and they
talked for an hour and they came back and said 'if you want to
give the hat back, you have to give him the hat back at tribal
council' and I was like 'what's the big deal, it's just a hat?'
So I left it on the jury box before the jury came in. They
wouldn't have known that I left the hat for Jonathan until Jeff
Probst said something about it and then they made this huge, big
deal about it. So, that was kind of frustrating for me.
IGN TV: Do you think Jonathan
voted for you instead of Ozzy because you are more mature than
Ozzy?
Yul: I think so. I think Jonathan is someone who really
appreciates the game for what it is. He really appreciates the
gameplay and strategy. We spent a lot of time talking about
strategy and I think for both of us, it was incredibly
stimulating and exciting and we both respected each other as
both people and as gameplayers. I think we were both aligned in
how we view Survivor. It's fundamentally a social game
and a game about strategy. If it was a physical game, then you
would just have a bunch of alpha males competing with one
another in something like the Olympics. You just get the best
athletes to do it. The reason why Survivor is such an
interesting game is because it's like a microcosm of our
society. It's all about relationships and how people really look
at one another, how people perceive one another versus how
others perceive them. I think the finale was great because it
really set up a contrast between two different approaches to the
game and fortunately, in my case, I think I had a fair majority
of people who appreciated the strategy side of it and I think
Jonathan was definitely someone who was a good gameplayer and
could appreciate good gameplay in turn.
IGN TV: Candice was exchanging a lot of flirty looks with
Adam, did you ever see that?
Yul: No, no, I had no idea. When Candice mutinied, I was
blown away, completely blindsided. I couldn't understand why it
would make any strategic sense for her to do that. If she wanted
to defect, it made a lot more strategic sense for her to wait
until after the merge. Her head was not on the chopping block,
she was part of the core alliance. She could have gone into the
merge and had the option of staying with our alliance or joining
the other alliance or she could have played both of us at the
same time. It didn't make any sense to me. I had no idea that
they had this love thing going on. And even Jonathan didn't
know. I think, watching the show, they obviously had been
showing this on TV and so it makes it sort of obvious the fact
that they were exchanging all these looks and all that kind of
stuff. The reality is, when it actually happened to us, we had
no idea.
IGN TV: Were you worried about
Candice's loyalty before the mutiny?
Yul: We were actually, because, Candice seemed really
anxious. Like really, really worried. She kept suspecting that
Jonathan had some sort of secret alliance going on with Cao Boi
and she was getting really scared that her head was on the
chopping block. Becky and I were both like 'Candice, just calm
down. There's no reason Jonathan would ally with Cao Boi. That
makes no sense at all. He's a smart guy. He's not going to align
himself with someone who hates his guts.' She just started
getting more and more nervous. I think she started getting
threatened by me and Becky, the fact that we were tight. I think
she just felt like she had more control over Adam and Parvati
and felt that if she went over there, she would be the one
running things.
There was also some sort of a misunderstanding. I don't know if
this is true or not, but for me, there was this one point where
I was having a conversation with Jonathan about game theory and
something called the prisoner's dilemma. The prisoner's dilemma
is kind of this well-known element of game theory. For me, I was
just kind of making a point to Jonathan. The whole point of
prisoner's dilemma, you have an option of cooperating with one
person or defecting against them. If you have just one iteration
of the game, it always makes rational sense to defect. The point
I was trying to make is that over multiple iterations, if you
play the game over and over and over again, it actually makes
more sense to cooperate with one another. It was a point I was
trying to make to Jonathan. For me, the point was to say that,
look, it makes sense for both of us to work with one another
because it serves both of our interests. Somehow, he had a
conversation with Candice where he kind of summarized this to
Candice, but something got lost in the translation and Candice
came away from it thinking that basically I was saying I was
going to defect, backstab. And so she felt paranoid that as soon
as the merge happened, we were going to run over to Brad and
screw over Candice and Jonathan and so she got really scared and
that's why she flipped over. I think it's a combination of that
and this whole thing she had with Adam that caused her to mutiny
when she did.
IGN TV: Aitu became the underdogs after the mutiny. Did you
ever imagine you'd manage a way out of that and win?
Yul: I honestly didn't think that it was going to turn
out this way. I thought that we would all get eliminated pretty
quickly and the fact that we were able to come back really meant
a lot to me. I was really worried towards the end that things
would just end up getting ugly again. I'm so glad it didn't. If
there had been final two, there would have been a lot of
pressure on who won the immunity challenge to pick someone else,
and it probably wouldn't have made for such an interesting
finale.
IGN TV: Did you have any romantic interest in Becky?
Yul: (laughs) Oh no, it was strictly friendship, brother
and sister. Coming into the game, I knew for sure there was no
way I was going to get romantically involved with anyone because
that just really would be a bad move. Candice, I think, is a
very smart person. She has a lot of great qualities. She's a
good person. I think if she came into the game a few years
older, she would have done much, much better. She's 23 years
old, she's had one boyfriend before she came into the game.
Everyone kind of goes through things where they fall for someone
they really shouldn't have fallen for. That happens in their
private lives and you get a chance to move on and it's no big
deal. I feel badly for her that something like this happened on
national TV where everyone is watching. It really did mess up
her whole game. There's no reason she shouldn't have gone to the
end. In our original alliance, Becky and I were committed to
going with her to the final four.
IGN TV: You wouldn't have
switched over to align with Brad and Jenny?
Yul: Brad, I was also very tight with. Jenny, I was not
tight with at the time. From the original Puka tribe, Brad,
Becky and myself were very tight, we wanted to go to the end.
And once we got to the Aitu, Becky and I formed an alliance with
Jonathan and Candice and I'm not sure exactly how it would have
played out, but from my perspective, I would have wanted the
final five to have consisted of us five. I'm not sure how it
would have played out going to the very end. I think we did
consider Candice to be a friend and I had every intention of
going very far into the game with her. Unfortunately for her, I
think she's very young, she kind of allowed her emotions to
complicate her game and that ultimately it cost her. I think
Becky and I, we are both older, I think we both recognize that
sometimes you have to put aside your feelings to play the game.
I think when it comes to the game, we have a very, very strong
friendship and I think we have a friendship outside of the game
that will last the rest of our lives but the whole romantic kind
of angle never factored into it.
IGN TV: You seemed to have a much better opinion of Jonathan
and an easier time building a relationship with him. Why do you
think that was?
Yul: You know, it's the weirdest thing. I kind of didn't
understand it myself. I like Jonathan a lot. I just felt like he
was a very honest, up front kind of guy, really smart and he was
actually a very caring person. And I couldn't understand why
everyone thought he was this evil fiend. I've heard him referred
to as an evil fiend with psycho killer eyes. I just didn't get
it. I spent so much time defending him within our original
alliance. And then when he mutinied, then I was like 'oh my god,
they were right, I was completely off base on this.' I feel like
I'm a pretty good read of people. One of the strengths I thought
I brought to the game was the ability to really empathize with
other people, understand where they are coming from and to talk
to them in a language that they understand. I felt, with
Jonathan, I really thought I connected with him. I couldn't
understand how I could be so far off. Now that the game's over,
I understand why he mutinied. It wasn't because I think I read
him wrong. He felt like he had no choice. Candice had left, the
numbers were on the other side, he thought Adam had the idol. So
he thought he really didn't have a choice but to go onto the
winning tribe. At the time, I didn't understand it. I took it
very personally. I was very hurt. I considered him to be a
friend and I couldn't understand why he left. I didn't know if
it always had been an intention to stab me in the back. I was
really relieved, to be quite honest, later on when I find out
that this wasn't the case. Because I really did think a lot of
him as a person and it really bothered me to believe that he had
been faking it to me all along. It made me feel much better in
general to know that he was a genuine person and it wasn't meant
to hurt me on a personal level.
I'm not sure why we clicked. Again, I feel like one of the
strengths I brought to the game was the ability to relate to
different people with different backgrounds. I felt like we
really connected. I thought he was a great intellect who had a
great approach and perspective on the game. I thought he was
upfront and honest. Outside of the game, he is one of my closest
friends. I think the way I perceived him originally was in fact
very close to how he is. I think people who originally didn't
like him watching the season along with the rest of the country
have come to understand that he wasn't faking it. I think he
kind of raised suspicions because he was an actor so people
assumed that he was acting all the time. We knew he was an
actor. We didn't know he had as extensive an acting career as he
did before, but we knew he had done some acting before.
IGN TV: Sundra's an actress as
well, were you aware of that?
Yul: I can't remember if I did. I don't think I did. I
think she kept that quiet. I think actors and lawyers get a bad
rap. Becky was a lawyer. I was a lawyer too. I didn't lie to
anyone about my background but I didn't volunteer anymore than I
had to. I used to practice law for about four to five years and
then I switched over to consulting.
IGN TV: The final tribal council seemed to be pretty tame.
Did it ever feel like you were being attacked?
Yul: It was a mix. For the most part, it didn't get
nasty, which I was happy for. There were certainly some tense
moments and it certainly felt like I was being called out on the
spot. But for the most part, in most of the tribal councils, I
played a very diplomatic face where I didn't say anything
offensive. I know that frustrated people because people felt
that I was not being honest. To me, it was all part of the game.
At tribal council, I pretty much let it all hang out. People had
been accusing me of being a hypocrite because they felt that I
had made myself out to be Mr. Integrity when in fact I was
playing the game really hard. I was deceiving people. The truth
of it was I was playing hard. I did try to play with as much
integrity as I could, but I never said that I wasn't going to
lie. That would just be silly. At tribal council, I was very
upfront with everything. I said 'look, I manipulated, I lied to
people, I did all those things, but I never did it in a mean
spirited way. To the extent that I did do those things, I felt
like it was because I had to do them in order to play the game.
But other than that, I did try to treat people with courtesy and
respect.' I think the final tribal council actually was a good
opportunity to really just clear the air and I think that helped
diffuse a lot of potential bitterness that people might have
had.
IGN TV: What was the hardest
thing for you?
Yul: Obviously, it was hard being hungry and tired. I
really had a lot of health issues the entire time I was there. I
don't think there was a single time where I felt close to being
100%. I think I broke my nose on the first challenge. I had a
lot of cuts on my legs that got infected. I needed antibiotics
twice during the game. I had a lot of digestion problems. I had
almost constant diarrhea and blood in my stool for much of the
game. So I was in pretty bad shape. You never heal because you
never get a chance to heal. I had an eye infection because I was
wearing contacts and dove into the water and got infected, so I
had to wear glasses.
I think, in the larger sense, the thing I found the hardest, the
most challenging, really were the ethical dimensions. Because I
wanted to try to portray a positive image, try to be a positive
role model on TV, it gets really hard to do that towards the end
when you are manipulating people and deceiving people. I know
Jonathan has said that you can't take anything personally in the
game, because it's kind of like playing Monopoly or playing
poker, there aren't really any villains, right? I don't quite
agree with that. I think he's right, clearly, we all came into
the game to play. It's not like we are stealing candy from kids
or taking lunch money from people who are completely
unsuspecting. I know, for Survivor, we all know what it's
about.
At the same time, it's not just a poker game. Unlike a poker
game, the way you're portrayed on the game and how far you get
and how well you do really has a very tangible impact on your
real life. I've heard stories of people who have been on Survivor
who were portrayed badly and it really destroyed their personal
lives. They got so much criticism when they came home and people
who met them just thought they were horrible people and all that
stuff really matters. It really can have a profound impact on
how the rest of your life plays out.
So for me, once we got towards the end where I felt like I
really was kind of in control of things, it really weighed on
me, the fact that the decision I was making could potentially
impact people in their outside lives and so I didn't take it
lightly. It really made me very uncomfortable after a while
because I felt like I wasn't really qualified. I don't know
these people outside the game. I don't know what kind of people
they are like, how deserving they are, yet I was making my
decisions that really could impact long after this game was
over. For me, I really struggled with that. By the end of the
whole game, I was pretty happy to go home.
IGN TV: You managed the hunger pretty well?
Yul: I managed it ok. Again, I was having lots of
digestion issues, like I had a lot of diarrhea, so whatever I
ate just was kind of not staying in. I was just really hungry
all the time. One of the mistakes I think I made, strategically,
was that I didn't come in with enough body fat. Ozzy fattened up
about 15 pounds, same with Candice. Jonathan fattened up until
he was about 40 pounds overweight. And it really made a big
difference, honestly. Because, for me, when I came in, and our
Puka tribe didn't have water for about a week because we didn't
bring the map with us when we left the boat, the map to the
water well, so we were basically just drinking coconut milk.
Coconut milk is a laxative, so that just increased the diarrhea.
So Jonathan who had about 40 extra pounds of fat, it really
helped him, because he was never as hungry as everyone else, he
had more energy and he was just warmer at camp. He could go out
into the water and not get cold. Whereas someone like me, I
didn't have any extra reserves to draw from, I think it really
did take a toll on my body.
IGN TV: Are you sick of
coconuts and fish?
Yul: I like fish now, surprisingly. I didn't like fish
before I went to the show. I can't stand coconuts. I'll start
retching if I drink coconut milk.
IGN TV: What was the temperature like in the Cook Islands?
Yul: It varied. It's winter season over there, but it
still obviously can be very warm. During the daytime, when the
sun was out, it could get very warm. But usually it was pretty
cold. Like at night, we'd all be shivering, and we'd have to
cuddle with one another. I remember one night, I was freezing,
my hands were shaking. People ask me if I ever hooked up on the
show. I tell them the closest I ever got to hooking up was one
night when my hands were freezing and shaking, I stuck my hands
in Jonathan's armpits. It was like a little slice of heaven, it
was so warm. He was like, yeah, just stick them in there. Yeah,
he said the warmest parts of the human body are the armpits and
the groin. I'm like, 'Yeah, I'll take the armpits.'
IGN TV: How do you feel about being the winner of what is
being called one of the best Survivors in a long time and
certainly the most diverse one?
Yul: It feels surreal. It still hasn't really hit me yet.
I've been sort of on this whirlwind tour of just a lot of
interviews and there's been a couple of moments where I just
completely sort of forget about it. I know, I'm doing these
interviews, I'm talking, but it just doesn't really hit me and
then after doing that for a while, I'll be like 'holy cow! I'm
the winner of Survivor!' It's so crazy. I just can't
believe it. It's a great feeling. I feel incredibly lucky to be
in the position I'm in right now. Not everyone gets this
opportunity. I'm glad it worked out for me. I just want to make
sure I don't take it for granted. I want to make sure my feet
are firmly planted on the ground. I don't want to let this get
to my head or change me as a person or change the values that I
have or the goals I want to achieve in life. It's just a
wonderful experience. I got more out of it that I could ever
have possibly imagined. I just want to make sure I use all the
good things coming out of this responsibly and do it in a way
that kind of gives back to the community and really helps make a
difference.
IGN TV: What was it like
watching the season at home?
Yul: It's weird. Very surreal. My personality is such
that I'm not someone who likes attention, really. I don't like
being the center of attention and it sort of makes me
uncomfortable. I don't crave the spotlight. In a way, it's sort
of incredulous to me that I'm actually on a reality show because
I wouldn't think of me as being the type of person who would
want to be on one in the first place. Watching myself, I feel
incredibly self conscious. I'm the type where I listen to myself
in voice mail, I go 'oh my god, I sound like such a dork.' And
watching myself on TV is like that times 10. Not only do I sound
like a dork, I look like a dork. I think over time, I'll become
more comfortable with it, but I don't know if I'll ever be
totally comfortable with it.
IGN TV: So no acting in your future?
Yul: I don't have any aspirations to be an actor and I
don't want to be one of those people who try to extend their
fifteen minutes of fame and become a so-called 'reality whore'.
I want to do something that has meaning and is impactful and I
feel like I have a unique platform now to really address and
speak to different issues that are important to me and the
community at large. I definitely would like to do that. I
recognize that being a public figure gives you a lot more
leverage.
IGN TV: Is there politics in your future then?
Yul: A lot of people have asked that question too. I've
always been very interested in politics and I've always very
much believed in public service. I used to work on the Hill for
Joe Lieberman and that was probably the best job I've ever had
because I really felt like I was doing something meaningful and
made a difference. I would like to go back to public service at
some point in my life and really do something that can have an
impact in our country. I don't know about running for anything
myself. I'm not someone who craves being in the spotlight. I
think I'm a relatively private person. I feel like I would be a
good politician so far as I think I'm good at building
coalitions and getting people to come to a consensus and finding
common ground between people. I think I'm, for the most part,
very well-intentioned. I make a lot of mistakes but my heart is
usually in the right place. But politics can get kind of dirty
and I don't think I would enjoy the schmoozing aspect of it or
fund-raising or all that glad-handing and back patting and all
that. I think that would really get to me. I think my preference
would be to work more behind the scenes, find a candidate I
really believe in and just kind of take a more hidden role where
I really feel like I'm doing good work and helping people but
I'm not the public face. But on the other hand, I honestly want
to do something that has an impact and again, I recognize that
you have a much bigger microphone if you are the public face and
you have a lot more control. I wouldn't rule it out but I don't
think it would be my first choice.
IGN TV: So what are you going
to do in the immediate future?
Yul: In the immediate future, after all this kind of
original hoopla and publicity dies down, I really would like to
think intelligently about how I can use my current good fortune
in a way that's going to benefit my community and society at
large. I'd like to spend a lot of time with the non-profits and
organizations I feel like are doing good work. For me, one thing
that has been very close to my heart is, in college, my best
friend died from Leukemia. He needed a bone marrow transplant
and if you are a minority in this country, your chances of
finding a bone marrow match are very, very low. So, I did a lot
of work back then to really increase the level of awareness of
the need for more minority bone marrow donors. I'd like to
really continue that. I'd like to help out financially and be a
spokesperson and an advocate for the association and try to
galvanize the Asian-American community and other minority
communities to recognize the need for people to get more
involved.
And just in general, I love working with kids. One of the
reasons I wanted to be on the show was that growing up as a kid,
I didn't see people that looked like myself that I wanted to
emulate. I'd really like to reach out to children. There's
another non-profit that I'm very committed to. It's called
Citizens Schools. They basically try to help at-risk middle
school youth by providing them with opportunities to be
mentored. Things like that, I want to do things where I feel
like I'm making a positive contribution and hopefully making a
difference.
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