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Exclusive Survivor: Cook Islands
Interview: Becky
Survivor: Cook Islands held its finale and
reunion show on Sunday night. Becky made the final three, but
unfortunately, it didn't really matter for her, since she was up
against the perceived Godfather and the Warrior. Even though she
didn't even get a pity vote from the jury, she did make the
final three and played the game very well, if not very loudly,
based on what we saw.
We talked to Becky about her strategy of playing the game, how
she came to be on the show in the first place and what she
thought of the twists.
IGN TV: How did you come to be on the show?
Becky:
I was contacted by a casting agent on MySpace, and she basically
asked if I'd be interested in trying out, and the typical
procedure where you send in a videotape. I had interviews and
went down to LA. It was all very fast. At first I thought it was
a joke. I mean I live in D.C. I'm not an actor or actor wannabe,
and so it was very surreal. You know, like "Oh… Maybe?
This is interesting…" But when I first heard about it I
was just like, "I work. I just can't leave in the
middle." But it was a very good experience, and I'm really,
really glad I did it.
IGN TV: Were you that familiar with the show beforehand?
Becky:
I had watched the favorite ones, like number one and then two,
and then Guatemala. The certain shows, the specific people that
I really liked, I watched. I'm not a die hard fan, but I'm also
a very competitive person and I used to do triathlons. I like
how you mix the intelligence part with the social and the mental
game with also the physical part. It's very intriguing. So I
definitely, when I thought about it, I was like, "Oh, that
would be an awesome opportunity, to go ahead and do."
IGN TV: When you got there, was it what you expected?
Becky:
Oh, not at all. I mean everyone was saying, "Oh, I'm sure
they'll have hair and makeup. And I'm sure you'll have a toilet.
I'm sure you'll have some amenities." I really thought we'd
have something, you know? But it was really, really the bare
minimal. I was shocked that even the water you have to boil, you
have to find. And even things like finding the food and the
simple things, like even going to the bathroom. You use a leaf
as your toilet paper. I'm a pretty high maintenance person. I
like makeup, I like to dress up, take a shower, take a bath…
you know, candles... I like little luxuries. So that was a huge
culture shock when I first got there. Especially because I'm not
a real big camping person either. But you realize there are some
other girls who are the same, and we just like… I know during
the show, that one episode, we were called "The Armpit
Alliance". But it's very interesting. At the beginning,
you're just in shock, but you're all going through it, so it's
okay. You get to adapt to it, as time goes by.
IGN TV: What was your initial reaction when you found
out about the division along racial lines?
Becky:
I was pretty shocked, because we didn't know until the night
before filming. I know that if I had been told that information
beforehand, I probably would not have tried out for the show.
I've always been very wary of how Asian-Americans are portrayed
in the media. That was one of the specific reasons I actually
wanted to do the show; was because I thought it would be a great
opportunity to show other representation of other Asians in the
media, and sort of knock down some of the stereotypes that are a
lot of times commonly made. And that's probably the reason why I
think Yul and I got along so well at the very beginning, when we
first met. Because at first, we're both public interest
attorneys, and then second, we both want to do the show because
of the sort of opportunity to create some more awareness about
different stereotypes; different issues of race that people
don't tend to talk about. In a reality-based television format,
maybe an opportunity will arise where we can actually bring this
issue out
IGN TV: How do you think the show represented you and
your personality?
Becky:
Putting all race aside, there was no stereotypes for me, that
were bad in that sense. But editing… My personality… I'm a
little disappointed with the season, in the sense of how under
the radar I was shown. I mean I had lots of conversations with
Candice. Almost every day, before she mutinied, we'd always have
conversations about what we should do and what next move we
should make. And then we'd go back to our respective male
partners, Jonathan and Yul, and discuss with them what we were
thinking about. Because they were the more rational players, and
so we were always bringing up other issues. They basically
pretty much show Jonathan and Yul as the narrators of the
season. So that's a little disappointing, because the girls had
less of their influence in the game shown during the season.
Also, I'm not very quiet. I never shut up. I'm not a quiet
person, and I was shown as a silent person. Like everyone would
always call me and be like, "What's going on? How come
you're not talking at all?" I talk all the time! I think
that they use certain things for a story arc, for the storyline,
to go a certain way for the plot. And also, for the work that I
do, I wanted to play a pretty ethical game, because that's the
kind of person I am, and pretty principled.
For example, when Jonathan asked me that question about my
sister, and it looks like I totally ignore him, and I'm such a
bitch? And then I know everyone was hating me for that. I'm
like, "Do you really think I ignored him?" Come on!
Like someone actually avoided your question, to your face? So I
was really upset about that, the way that was shown. I know they
were trying to show sort of the demise of Jonathan and how he
came back to camp and the whole mood was different, and he was
going down. But I didn't do that at all, so I was upset.
IGN TV: So you did give him an answer to that question.
Becky:
Oh, of course! We're friends. I called him afterwards and said,
"I'm just sorry that it made it look like that." He's
like, "No, it's okay. It's television."
IGN TV: Based on what we saw, it seemed like you and Yul
were intending to go to the end with Candice before the mutiny.
Was that initially what you had in mind?
Becky:
Yeah. Obviously now, in hindsight, we talk about it to Candice,
because we're like, "Candice, why did you jump?!" We
are loyal people. I think that you would see the things that we
do, our background, we really want to play this game hard, but
we want to play it with people who we think deserve to go to the
end, and are strategizers. She was just like, "I just
really thought that you guys would be stupid to take me with you
to the end. I thought that you guys probably wouldn't do that;
that you wouldn't keep your word. And I was so nervous that you
guys would never break. You guys would be so hard to break your
bond. So I thought I'd be able to more votes on the other side
by flipping." Obviously it was strategy, but I think they
made it on the show more in the terms that she flipped sides for
a boy. But she's not stupid like that. She knew that the numbers
over there, that those guys, the Raro tribe -- not Jonathan, but
the other guys -- that they weren't really strategizing. They
were more so sort of letting a leader take control and telling
them tell them what to do if they need it. That kind of
situation. She knew that. She knew she could control votes. So I
was really sad. I was like, "If you'd stayed with us, you
could have gone much farther with us."
IGN TV: So it's safe to say that you were shocked, when
both Candice and Jonathan mutinied?
Becky:
Shocked and like pissed off. Obviously; We sent her to Exile,
how many times? Part of it was personal in the beginning,
because we were mad at her. But then secondly, we knew that… I
was always like, "Yul, she's strategizing all the time. We
need to send her to exile, because if she does that, those other
guys Raro won't know what to do and they won't be strategizing.
They'll just be chilling out and just resting. So we need to
send her away, so she can't stir things up." So that's why
we always kept sending her away.
IGN TV: You mentioned that you are friends with
Jonathan. What were your feelings about him at that time in the
game?
Becky:
I really respect him. He's such a great gamer. He never hid
anything, in the sense of what he believed and what he thought
and what he wanted to do. And so I really respected that. And I
also knew that's why Yul and Jonathan, on that level… I was
like, "Yul, he's the rational guy of that tribe. Of
everyone on that tribe, he'd be the one you'd be able to flip
and trade sides, and convince him of the Idol." So that
worked in our favor. But also, that's one regret I have in
looking back, is why I didn't trust him. Because I kept pushing
on Yul, "No, he's so shady. Look at his eyes. He's so
shady." He never really did anything that warranted that
kind of impression, except for the fact that when I first made
the alliance with Candice, when we first joined together, she
said something and put that mistrust in me already. So having
that, and already being in a very paranoid kind of feel in the
game the whole time, where you're trying to figure out who can
you trust, I think that seeped through. His character is a very
loud character, and I think those kinds of things and his
characteristics I think just made her not trust him. But in
hindsight, I wish I had, because he never lied. He never tried
to slide one past us. So that's one regret I do have, is that we
didn't trust him.
IGN TV: When you voted Jonthan out, you mentioned being
angry at "The fish incident", which I assume was when
he didn't want to share with Raro.
Becky:
I think at that point, there was a couple of things they didn't
show. That day for some reason, a culmination of things of his
behavior, we thought he was acting a little bit arrogant,
instead of just playing low key. I think it started with the
auction, and he won a lot of stuff and he was being very
arrogant in the sense of building up his character, talking
loud. I think he and Jeff got in a little tiff about the cameras
or something like that. Just his behavior; he was eating all the
food, he got to eat it by himself, and then coming back to camp,
I think it was just the culmination of a couple of things that
happened that made us see him like, "Wow, we need to watch
out for this guy. I think his true colors are showing
today." I think we were all just in a very high emotional
state from the food and also the fight, so I think it was a
series of events that happened that day that made me say those
things.
IGN TV: The fight being the argument between Jeff and
Jonathan?
Becky:
That and his behavior. He was very arrogant at the auction and
people were mad at him, like, "Gosh, we didn't all get
food. You shouldn't be like that." And then coming back to
camp, I think he said something else, and then the fish
incident, where I was like, "Do I want to go farther in the
game with this guy? I don't know if I can trust him. His
behavior; he's being so cocky and so in your face."
IGN TV: Okay, I'm sure you're already sick of people
asking you why you and Yul aren't a couple…
Becky:
No, he's such a great guy. I'm so in awe that we were able to
meet on this show, in this kind of environment and start a
friendship from this show. Because who would ever expect to make
such a good friend, when you're competing for a million dollars?
And to meet somebody that… I don't have a lot of Korean
American friends. I grew up in Pittsburgh where it's very white.
And then also going to law school, and I went up to D.C. and the
work that I do, it's not very diverse. And to meet someone that
just gets you and you're able to understand each other because
you're from the same background… But also we believe the same
things. The reasons we wanted to come on the show; about
breaking stereotypes of Asian Americans. But also, both being
attorneys who work in public interest. I think that connection
was just so awesome and I'm very thankful to be able to meet
someone, especially because the older we get, we meet people
based on environment, whether it's work or people you go out
with; that type of thing. So to meet somebody that's probably
the closet new friendship I've had in over ten years, I think
it's really amazing. I was really excited about that. And just
the Aitu Four and the rest of the cast, I know a lot of people
were criticizing the show for, "Gosh, it's so Kumbaya. It's
so cheesy! I can't believe they all stuck together." But I
think with all the hoopla with the race wars, and the drama
caused by that, and the division of the tribes, I think it's a
beautiful ending. I'm sure Mark Burnett was so excited to see
the underdogs go so far.
IGN TV: Several times, you mention wanting to vote Ozzy
off because he was such a threat. If you were given that
opportunity to vote for him instead of Parvati and Adam, would
you have done that?
Becky:
The interesting thing about that is, we'd been talking about
getting rid of Ozzy from way earlier, which editing showed it a
little bit later. But it's interesting, because we loved the
fact that we were so strong as the four, but realistically, it
was always in the back of our heads that, you know, he's so
unbeatable in challenges. I think if the opportunity, in that
last compass rose [challenge] - We'd decided that if in that
situation, if someone else gets it, that maybe that would be an
option. But you have to understand, at all points, nothing's
ever decided. The vote, even up to tribal council, we're
sometimes still making decisions, still trying to figure out
what's best. Because at that point, we were still emotionally
excited about our Aitu Four making it to the end. But there's
the other part, "Well, we're gonna have to turn on each
other sometime soon." It's one of those things; it's not
decided right away. We were always like, "What do you
think? What do you feel?" It got very nervous, because we
were coming to the end sooner than we realized. Our Aitu Four is
going to be the final four, and what are we going to do? It was
very emotional.
IGN TV: I know watching at home, my friends and I were
debating how there could be so many jury members and what that
might mean. Were you guys discussing that much among yourselves?
Becky:
Definitely. I know that the whole idea about how their might be
a bigger jury, and then a final three versus a final two… I
mean we were always talking about what combinations could
happen, because you're always looking for something new for the
show. And as for myself, later on down the road, I was really…
You know, people ask, "Are you mad? Are you
disappointed?" But for me, you have to understand my
relationship with Yul. We both discussed if I won, if he won,
we'd both be very happy for each other. Because from the very
start, we knew our best chances of making it far were to stick
together in an alliance where we trust each other. So I was very
nervous it was a final three, with a nine jury vote, because of
a tie-breaker situation. I wasn't surprised where it turned out
where I received no votes, and I didn't feel bad about that.
Because I would rather it happen that way, then it going to a
tie-breaker with those two on my television, for that million
dollars. So I was actually very excited. I know that some of the
girls might have given me a vote. But I know the girls, that we
talked, that were gamers and had strategy; that we all really
wanted Yul to win, because the things that he represented and
what he wanted to give his money to versus what Ozzy had been
talking about… I think we just felt closer to what Yul was
standing for.
IGN TV: There was that moment, when you were debating
what to do about Jonathan, where Yul was talking to you about
potentially losing votes by angering the Raro members. It
appeared, at least from the editing, like you weren't happy with
him talking about himself in the final two like that, without
talking about your position.
Becky:
It's funny, because I remember seeing that scene, and I'm like,
"What are they trying to show? Are they trying to show me
looking at Yul like, 'Am I gonna stab him in the back?' What are
they showing? What's the editing doing there?" But really,
that was just another example of us talking to each other. We
would talk on each decision: the pros and cons for me and the
pros and cons for him. And so they just showed his side of the
conversation or his view. Again, it wasn't like that. It wasn't
one-sided where I was just like the dumb idiot sitting there. We
really tried to help each other get far together by talking it
out, both sides, for each other, in every decision. For example,
the Idol. I rejected the Idol. [We talked] about how it would
hurt or help him, or hurt or help me. That scene right there is
obviously cut where you can't see. It's showing our
relationship; how close we are actually.
IGN TV: Did they tell you what would have happened if
there'd been a tie in the final vote?
Becky:
No. Someone asked, during the live show yesterday. They yelled
out, "What would have happened if there was a tie?"
And Jeff was just laughing, because it's been going on so long,
it's really hard to make anything up that's new. "We were
ready for it," he says, but that obviously didn't happen,
so they weren't going to share that information.
IGN TV: What happened in the fire challenge that you
struggled so much to get a fire going?
Becky:
It's funny, because my sister actually talked to Parvati's dad,
who's like a big boy scout, and he mentioned to my sister that
maybe we were given magnesium and not flint. You're not supposed
to strike it hard like that. You're actually supposed to do it
really slowly to get the fire started. So I don't know. I mean
whatever, what's in the past is past. I think it's funny that
they made it into a comical situation. We can both laugh about
that, Sundra and I. We're pretty close. It was really windy, and
also we were very nervous. I could hardly see, I was sweating so
much. And when I get nervous and I'm freaking out, I huff and
puff. So Yul and Ozzy had mentioned to me that as I was doing
it, I would huff and puff and blow out the flame, because I was
breathing so heavily, trying to get it done. Sundra and I, we're
such good friends, and we both want to win and everyone's
watching us. I even offered her extra husk when she ran out of
husk. It was a situation, like a Kumbaya kind of scene. We
really wanted both of us to be able to do it as quickly as
possible, but what happens, happens. And I can laugh about it,
and that's fine. We made fire before. We practiced. We actually
would race when we were at camp! We'd race making fire and try
to see what the best technique was; putting the small sticks
versus the husk. So the camera doesn't show us making fire
before, but it's great TV.
IGN TV: Based on some of the Jury statements, it seems
like, incorrectly or not, they perceived Yul as the decision
maker. In retrospect, do you think it would have helped your
game to have been more "out there" to the other
players, as someone making calls more, instead of Yul coming off
as that person?
Becky:
Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. I think in retrospect,
the thing is that a lot of times, the way that Yul talks to
people, [he can get along with] a lot of times, personalities
that I don't get along with… I just knew that he's so
diplomatic, in the way that he talks to people. People, that
even if I tried my hardest, I wouldn't be able to get along
with. So a lot of times, in my head, I was just thinking,
"I'm micromanaging." So instead of creating conflict,
we're able to focus the votes, but at the same time move far
along. Especially with the old Raro tribe, with Adam, and
Parvati and also Nate, I didn't get to spend as much time with
them as I probably should have, in talking to them and getting a
close relationship, because a lot of times it was just me and
Yul. So they're talking to us as a force, you know what I mean?
So it looked, a lot of the times, that it was just Becky &
Yul, Becky & Yul. And so since he would do a lot of the
talking a lot of times, I think that they just basically saw him
as the dictator, and controlling everything. So yeah, as I look
back, maybe if we hadn't been so… I mean everyone knew. It
wasn't like it wasn't obvious. From day one that we met,
everyone knew that we were a tight knit alliance. Maybe we
shouldn't have been so obvious about it. But at the same time,
you look back, "What could I have done? What should I have
done?", and so I don't know. I think about that
relationship with people. If I talked more, and if I'd been more
aggressive saying, "I decided this."
IGN TV: Since they usually give prize money on a sliding
scale to the second place contestant, followed by the third
place contestant, how did it work for you and Ozzy?
Becky:
Ozzy receives $100,000 and I receive $75,000.
IGN TV: What was the hardest thing for you?
Becky:
I'm a very Personality A, like take charge person. I'm a very
aggressive personality, where I tend to do things on my own and
knowing that if I fail, I have no one else to blame but myself.
And I think that for the first time in my life, I was learning
to depend on other people, given I really had no choice,
especially with the situation I'm referring to, where after the
mutiny occurred, it was us four. And I can't do everything. Ozzy
can't do everything. We really had to work all together as a
team, and our only strategy was to win. We had no other choice,
or we would get picked off one by one. I think that was one of
the first times that you realize all you can do is fight your
hardest, and at the same time, since you're in it with other
people, you learn to let them help you and be vulnerable. That's
really hard for me. Like even in dating, I'm typically the very
masculine person in the relationship. Very take charge and make
big plans and that kind of thing. So it was a very different
experience for me, in letting people help each other and be able
to say, "Okay, I need your help. Can you help me with
this?"
IGN TV: What are you up to now?
Becky:
My life is very different from this whole
Hollywood/acting/television thing. I'm a woman's rights attorney
in D.C. I specialize in domestic-violence law. I just formed a
non-profit called Becky Lee Woman's Support Fund. And what I
want to do is take money from the show and donate it into that
fund, basically helping battered women leave their abusers.
Whether it's through things like child care or housing or
continuing education, to allow these women to become financially
independent. I'm trying right now to get the website up and
raise money. I'm in the midst of trying to design a ring and
some jewelry to try to raise money for the fund. Part of the
reason why I did the show was I wanted to gain publicity for
that cause and try to get more people involved.
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